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The last part of the movie "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" occurs in a (I guess) fictitious arabic State called HATAY. Its flag appears many times:
In the red device there are some Arabic writing but I cannot
reproduce them. Is this flag related to any real-world one ?
Giuseppe Bottasini
Hatay was not fictitious. Sometimes referred to as Alexandretta,
(I think), it was autonomous (probably not independent) at some
time between WWI and WWII, probably under French suverainty.
It's that little slither of Turkey that extends down towards
Lebanon along the Eastern Mediterranean (or is that now a bit
of Syria?). Although Hatay and Alexandretta aren't the same town -
A is north of H - the district was known by both names, e.g. the region
of Hatay or the region of Alexandretta (Iskenderun (sp?) in Turkish
and was a French mandate until 1939, when it was taken over by Turkey.
Robert Czernkowski
Please see Ottfried Neubecker's Fahnen un Flaggen, Leipzig, 1939:
On page 73 he presents a Hatay's flag which is very much like the turkish
flag. The only difference is the star which is red with white border.
Joao Portugal
image by Zeljko Heimer 9-JUN-1996
The Star Trek Federation of Planets appears to use something closely based on the UN flag.
Stuart Notholt 15-NOV-1995
The gif I got originally had black background, but I changed it to 'deep blue' (but I am ready to correct it if I am wrong). We were discussing once that black flags might be expected when mankind start to colonize outer space, as analogon to blue flags connected with maritime countries. I must say that this flag with black background looks to me much more apropriate then blue one.
Zeljko Heimer 9-JUN-1996
A recent episode of Deep Space Nine showed a flag in a courtroom situation which included the words "United Federation of Planets" along the bottom. *Sigh* -- one would think that being one of the three major powers in this quadrant of the galaxy would keep them from feeling compelled to write their name on the flag as well... :-)
It's not a bad theory [black vs. blue], but given that Star Trek retains a lot of ties to naval concepts, I'm not so sure how much they'd change. Also, black flags seem to have an association with piracy or death -- I don't know if this prejudice might have disappeared in a couple of centuries. :-)
Also shown in that episode of DS9 was a yellow flag, of Starfleet, which is the semi-military organization of the Federation charged with the duty of defence, exploration, and assistance. As far as I could tell is had the Starfleet insignia in the middle on a yellow field, yes, with the words Starfleet along the bottom...*sigh*
Dipesh Navsaria 9-JUn-1996
Star Trek is easy, they even give you the colors and exact dimensions in
the Star Fleet Technical Manual. Flags were given for several star
systems, my favorite being the Star Empire of Epsilon Eridani...
Alexander Justice 14-NOV-1995
A fictional flag from the Star Trek Next Generation TV series was the 52
Star US flag. The set designers wanted a flag from the viewer's future, and
was concerned that people with VCRs would stop and count the stars. What I
noticed about the flag (without stoping the tape) was that the blue canton
rested on a red stripe instead of a white one.
R. Nathan Bliss 09-FEB-1996
There is no description of the flag of Oceania in _Nineteen Eighty Four_. In
the 1984 film of the book, a flag of the ruling Party, INGSOC (English
Socialism) does appear, however. If memory serves me right it is black with a
red 'V' for 'Victory'. Across the 'V' are two hands, one white, one black,
clasped in solidarity. Across the bottom is the word 'INGSOC'.
Stuart Notholt 15-NOV-1995
The flag of Eurasia is also briefly depicted. It had a star
in the upper left corner, and a thin horizontal stripe running
across the flag. There may have been other devices; you never
get a clear look at it.
I don't know the colors of either flag, because I believe you
see them only in pictures on the omnipresent black-and-white
"telescreens". The "V-with-clasped-hands" device, however,
appears elsewhere (sort of like a coat of arms), and seems
to contain black, white, and red.
I'm referring to the 1980s film, not the earlier (1950s?) version.
Bruce Tindall 10-FEB-1996
I saw a poster for a Japanese movie that seems to contain a
fictitious flag. The film is called, in English, "Goodbye Japan"
(the Japanese title, written all in hiragana, appears to be
"Sayonara Jippon," with the second word apparently being a
phonetic transcription of the English word "Japan", in place
of the Japanese Kanji normally used for the name of the country).
The film seems to be about a man who moves to a small Japanese
island, southwest of Okinawa, near Taiwan, and becomes the
ruler of his own tiny country.
The poster shows a map with a flag flying over the little island.
The flag (drawn in outline only, so no colors are shown) contains
an eight-pointed sun that looks very much like the Chinese
Nationalist (Taiwan) sun, and a crescent moon underneath it
(points pointing upward). I have no idea whether the "sun"
device has anything to do with the island's proximity to Taiwan,
or whether the "crescent" has any Muslim connection, or whether
the flag is even explained in the film.
Bruce Tindall 19-FEB-1996
Last night I saw the Japanese movie "Farewell, Japan,"
about which I had posted briefly a few days ago.
In the movie, a small island in the Ryukyus, called
Akaoneko, declares its independence from Japan.
The new country's flag is red, with a gold sun and
crescent moon device in the center. The sun is
similar to the sun on the Taiwan flag; the points of
the moon point upwards. The sun-moon device also
appears on some cars and buildings and police uniforms,
sometimes in gold, sometimes in green.
The flags are of various shapes -- one is a rectangle
approximately 2:3, one approx. 1:2, one an isosceles
triangle, one a right triangle (the bottom edge is
perpendicular to the hoist), and one an irregular
shape reminiscent of that of Nepal, especially
considering that it's emblazoned with a sun and a moon.
But it's not surprising that the flag wasn't standardized;
the island only has a few hundred inhabitants, and they
had only just declared independence and hadn't had time
to enlist the help of the experts from the FLAGS list
to design a proper flag!
I don't have a very good map of Japan, but I could not
find an island named Akaoneko, and I assume the island
is fictitious. In the film, it's supposed to be in
the Okinawa prefecture.
Although the film is a comedy, it apparently has some
basis in fact. A professor of Japanese from a local
university gave a little talk before the film; he said
that the Ryukyus (which are closer to Taiwan than any
other Japanese islands) had been part of Japan for a
relatively short time, formerly spoke a different
language, and still feel like a "different" people.
The people there, he
said, often feel neglected by the central government
and resent being treated as second-class citizens.
(In the film, the proximate cause of the island's
secession was that they didn't get help quickly after
a damaging typhoon.)
Bruce Tindall 27-FEB-1996
The programme, an Australian soap-drama set in and around the Australian
embassy of a small fictional country in South-East Asia (presumably
somewhere near Thailand or Malaysia). The country, I think, was called
Ragaan, and the programme is simply called "Embassy".
The fictional flag, the national flag of the Asian country, is white, with
three thin horizontal green stripes (thus comparable to the old South
Vietnamese flag), with a green crescent (possibly with star) in the upper
hoist corner.
A fairly realistic flag for a country in that part of the world, IMHO.
James Dignan 09-FEB-1996
Back in the 70s there was a very
interesting UK/Canada co-production called "Power Play", about the
planning and execution of a military coup in a fictional and un-named
possibly European country (it was filmed in Yugoslavia IIRC). It was
inspired by Edawrk Luttwak's "Coup D'Etat: A Practical Handbook".
Anyway, in the film the country used a vertical tricolour of blue,
yellow and green. It was used very consistently throughout, with it
appearing on all the military vehicles - and the designers also worked
out an air force roundel (concentric green-yellow-blue) and
Presidential Standard (the flag with a coat of arms on the yellow
stripe).
Roy Stiling 10-FEB-1996
The film version of Frederick Forsyth's "The Dogs of War" had a flag for the
fictional Republic of Zangara in Africa. Black with some kind of red rising sun
emblem. Sorry I cannot be more specific. It was a long time since I saw the film
and IIRC it was a rotten adaptation anyway.
Stuart Notholt 11-FEB-1996
Of movies in which flags figure not only symbolically, but in great numbers as well,
one may mention a film about Genghis Khan
(starring Omar Sharif, I think) which made use of the Mongol form of
vexilloids quite a bit.
Alexander Justice 24-NOV-1995